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The bill speaks volumes, it is the bill of a Grackle not the daintier bill of a Blackbird of any kind.

Think I responded too quickly and put the wrong bird down as belonging to that bill... hatch year European Starling.

I happen to have both HY Grackle and Starling at the moment.

I must ask if these are Juvenile European Starlings? 

Yes, and perhaps I was too quick to id  Paul and Kitty's as Grackle when the better answer was European Starling.

Mine came with a parent which made it easier for me  :)

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