8916- Autographa Flagellum

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Permalink Reply by Chris Adam on June 25, 2012 at 9:27am

A noctuid moth, and likely one of the subfamily Plusiinae, starting in Peterson p. 374. Looks a bit like Sharp-stigma Looper, but always check MPG (for the range map) and BG for images and details. Keep narrowing it down in BG by using the "Browse" button. Let us know what you find. Maybe Tony T has an idea, as I am not familiar with this one.

Permalink Reply by Tony Thomas on June 25, 2012 at 10:51am

A really nice find. Only 1 photo of a pinned specimen on MPG, and only 9 records for eastern NA.
No images of a live moth:
8916 – Autographa flagellum – (Walker, [1858])

see:
http://mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/species.php?hodges=8916

Permalink Reply by Denis A. Doucet on June 25, 2012 at 11:45am

Well, well, well! Another nice find!!! Congrats Gabriel!!

Permalink Reply by Gabriel Gallant on June 25, 2012 at 12:38pm

Wow, thanks guys! This new hobby is really turning into something special.

Permalink Reply by Chris Adam on June 26, 2012 at 9:53am

I hope you will submit this to BG and MPG, as it is an important record. You can cite this discussion as evidence of its id. Nice work.

Permalink Reply by Stuart Tingley on June 26, 2012 at 10:53am

Tony, I'm getting the impression that range maps on MPG are much more useful than the maps at BG. It seems BG only shows states and provinces from which images have been submitted to BG while MPG has dots for records from all sources, not just for images that have been submitted to them??

Permalink Reply by Tony Thomas on June 26, 2012 at 12:11pm

I agree,

BAMONA is even better, they have a Google Earth map that shows location down to the leaf the lep was on (I am the Maritimes coordinator)

http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/

The series of books "Moths of North America" (MONA) have dot maps and these books are the authoratative source for moths - expensive.

Permalink Reply by Stuart Tingley on June 27, 2012 at 12:02am

Thanks for reminding me about BAMONA. I've just registered and will explore the site further.

Permalink Reply by Chris Adam on June 27, 2012 at 9:03am

I too checked out BAMONA. I was intrigued at their checklist option, but the checklist I ordered for NB contained very few entries, maybe 5% (wild guess) of what actually occurs here. Disappointing, to say the least, but probably because they are relying only on their own contributors and not obtaining info from anywhere else. I'm going to stick with MPG and BG; those two, eButterfly and Birding NB are about all I can handle. Too bad these sites can't coordinate their data gathering, as each seems to be operating independantly.

Of course, I am just venting here without much knowledge of the real situation, so I am ready to be corrected.

Permalink Reply by Tony Thomas on June 27, 2012 at 9:43am

You have missed the entire point of the whole discussion - it is about mapping data points not about lists of species.

Take at look at the recent record of Polyphemus from NS. Zoom in on the larger map and you can see the backyard of the place where the moth was seen. Possibly accurate to 1 or 2 yards. Try and get that precision with MPG and BG.

Permalink Reply by Chris Adam on June 27, 2012 at 10:02am

I'm not interested in that kind of precision. It's just that it's overwhelming to have to check yet another site. MPG and BG are at my limit. Bomona does look like a good site, and I may check it out further, but later.

So Gabriel, I hope you will submit your image to BG; Bob Patterson at MPG monitors BG and will probably (may) pick it up.

Permalink Reply by Stuart Tingley on June 25, 2012 at 10:14pm

Fantastic looking moth and a great find, Gabriel! Congratulations!!

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